tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10333247.post114159232517817934..comments2024-01-07T05:17:58.943-05:00Comments on Orthoprax: Political ProcreationOrthopraxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11649055168953784384noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10333247.post-1144389445935042132006-04-07T01:57:00.000-04:002006-04-07T01:57:00.000-04:00Michael,And yet the fact is that we all live toget...Michael,<BR/><BR/>And yet the fact is that we all live together in the same world and all use the same resources. Problems like overpopulation are not localized phenomena that should be ignored by those in less stressed areas.Orthopraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11649055168953784384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10333247.post-1141721738187434922006-03-07T03:55:00.000-05:002006-03-07T03:55:00.000-05:00While you are certainly right most atheists make t...While you are certainly right most atheists make themselves, one has a much larger chance at becoming an atheist with atheist parents. I would say a child would have as much a chance at becoming atheistic being raised by atheist parents as a child would have at becoming theistic being raised by theist parents. <BR/><BR/>I do recognize a middle ground. For some four or five children may be acceptable and easily maintained and raised, for me it would be too many.JDHURFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133971619468463558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10333247.post-1141699314832865992006-03-06T21:41:00.000-05:002006-03-06T21:41:00.000-05:00Jdhurf,"I have seen this very same point be made b...Jdhurf,<BR/><BR/>"I have seen this very same point be made by atheists regarding atheists."<BR/><BR/>I can imagine such a discussion, but I think that most atheists make themselves.<BR/><BR/>"I believe in quality not quantity. I would take two humanistic, well educated, civil and altruistic children over a dozen poorly educated, emotional distraught and deficient fundamental Christian children any day."<BR/><BR/>Ok, that's a valid argument, but I think you recognize a happy middle ground don't you? Perhaps a dozen would be difficult to manage well, but do you think four or five is so out of line?Orthopraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11649055168953784384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10333247.post-1141697152754727122006-03-06T21:05:00.000-05:002006-03-06T21:05:00.000-05:00I have seen this very same point be made by atheis...I have seen this very same point be made by atheists regarding atheists. It is valid discussion to be having for sure but you must also make sure to keep things in perspective. Is it really fair to the children living in a household of eight or more individuals? Do they really obtain all of the love and support that they need and require? Should a couple that is deficient regarding the raising and handling of children really be encouraged to have many of them simply to increase a minorities population? If such couples do, in fact, have many children are these really the children and adults that such a minority population would wish for? <BR/>I believe in quality not quantity. I would take two humanistic, well educated, civil and altruistic children over a dozen poorly educated, emotional distraught and deficient fundamental Christian children any day.<BR/>Though it is a valid discussion to be having.JDHURFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133971619468463558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10333247.post-1141619097087224612006-03-05T23:24:00.000-05:002006-03-05T23:24:00.000-05:00I agree with your point about children and overpop...I agree with your point about children and overpopulation in the world, except for one important point: The western free world is in danger of being taken over demographically by moslem fundamentalists. I sure would hate to live in a world like that.The Jewish Freakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00959225860182589944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10333247.post-1141603105896772172006-03-05T18:58:00.000-05:002006-03-05T18:58:00.000-05:00>Well, yeah. I agree that it shouldn't just be a p...>Well, yeah. I agree that it shouldn't just be a political question. But if you like kids and can afford ten of them, even if you only planned on having three, should you have more for these other reasons?<BR/><BR/>Is that what this is about? You want to encourage Jews to have extra kids to make up for the holocaust, but you're worried about the impact on world population? I really wouldn't worry about itB. Spinozahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086206346767831626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10333247.post-1141599560016110692006-03-05T17:59:00.000-05:002006-03-05T17:59:00.000-05:00"whether you can support your children and if woul..."<I>whether you can support your children and if would enjoy having children</I>"<BR/><BR/>And whether your children would enjoy having you.M-nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14544559966559522003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10333247.post-1141595115679833812006-03-05T16:45:00.000-05:002006-03-05T16:45:00.000-05:00Spinoza,"I don't think the decision should be a po...Spinoza,<BR/><BR/>"I don't think the decision should be a political statement. The only relevant question, in my mind, is whether you can support your children and if would enjoy having children."<BR/><BR/>Well, yeah. I agree that it shouldn't just be a political question. But if you like kids and can afford ten of them, even if you only planned on having three, should you have more for these other reasons?Orthopraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11649055168953784384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10333247.post-1141594972992203812006-03-05T16:42:00.001-05:002006-03-05T16:42:00.001-05:00JA,"We've (bnei adam, not bnei yisrael) already fi...JA,<BR/><BR/>"We've (bnei adam, not bnei yisrael) already filled the land, there's no further need to be fruitful and multiply."<BR/><BR/>Except that us Jews have specific political needs to be fruitful and multiply. And I think our direct needs trump a more abstract global issue of which Jews are hardly a contributing factor.<BR/><BR/>"Such reasoning is exactly what causes the tragedy of the commons."<BR/><BR/>You may be right, but the smallest shouldn't be the first to cut back when the largest are the biggest offenders.<BR/><BR/>"That said, overpopulation won't be quelled by a few rich American Jews limiting their offspring out of altruism. It'll be quelled by education."<BR/><BR/>This is true.Orthopraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11649055168953784384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10333247.post-1141594969816886812006-03-05T16:42:00.000-05:002006-03-05T16:42:00.000-05:00I don't think the decision should be a political s...I don't think the decision should be a political statement. The only relevant question, in my mind, is whether you can support your children and if would enjoy having children.B. Spinozahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086206346767831626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10333247.post-1141594037697129452006-03-05T16:27:00.000-05:002006-03-05T16:27:00.000-05:00My view: the world hardly helped the Jews when we ...<I>My view: the world hardly helped the Jews when we were being decimated sixty years ago and our miniscule numbers on the world stage have a tiny effect on the world's whole population figures. Let the Chinese worry about overpopulation.</I><BR/><BR/>Such reasoning is exactly what causes the tragedy of the commons. <BR/><BR/>We've (bnei adam, not bnei yisrael) already filled the land, there's no further need to be fruitful and multiply.<BR/><BR/>That said, overpopulation won't be quelled by a few rich American Jews limiting their offspring out of altruism. It'll be quelled by education. Educated people everywhere have many fewer children. Especially where women are allowed to have control of contraception.Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.com