No explanation for this one, just watch it.
Subscribe to:
Post Comments (Atom)
Onwards to a rational observant Judaism!
About Me
"You speak of dogmas, dogmas of faith! In answer thereto, I would briefly say that Judaism enjoins six hundred and thirteen duties but knows no dogmas." - R' Samson Raphael Hirsch, Fifteenth Letter
Email me at Orthoprax2@yahoo.com
Blogger Links
- Jewish Atheist
Pretty self-evident. - Existential Angst (aka XGH)
Godol Hador's reincarnation - Ohr Chadash
Blog by B. Spinoza in an effort to reinvent a vigorous meaningful Judaism. - Wolfish Musings
"Some notes on the frum community from a local wolf." (In sheep's clothing.) - The Things I Care To Share
Little bit country, little bit rock 'n' roll. - Ben Avuyah
A great writer who hits the heart of the issue. Two thumbs up! - In My Humble Jewish Opinion...
An "outspoken" post-seminary girl. Like looking into a philosophical reality warp... - Baal Habos
"Ignorance Is Bliss" - Bilbulatsia
"There's a blaze of light in every word, it doesn't matter which you heard, the holy or the broken Hallelujah..." - Da'as Hedyot
"Definitely not da'as torah." - David's Harp
"Musings on the jumbled interplay between emotions, ideas and beliefs"
- The Frum Skeptics Group
A forum for skeptics of all flavors Jewish to get together and gripe about whatever. Must be a Yahoo member to enter. (Don't worry, it's free.) - Talk Reason
"This website presents a collection of articles which aim to defend genuine science from numerous attempts by the new crop of creationists to replace it with theistic pseudo-science under various disguises and names." Also, take a special look here and here - Talk Origins
"Talk.origins is a Usenet newsgroup devoted to the discussion and debate of biological and physical origins." Check out 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution - Daat Emet
"DE has been operating since 1998 as a public organization, whose main goal is the study of classical Jewish culture and the dissemination of its scientific, humanistic interpretation." - Concordance of the Bible
Find any word used in the Bible in Hebrew or Greek (includes Christian texts) and their meaning in every passage. - Internet Sacred Text Archive
It's an archive of all the world's notable religious, cultural, and philosophical works. I suggest taking a look at the Judaism section; it's even got the Bible! - An introduction to the history and culture of Pharaonic Egypt
The title is a misnomer. This site has everything on Ancient Egypt.
- Mis-nagid
The Cantankerous Atheist "Frum" Jew. Always has something interesting brewing. - The Godol Hador
Amusing irreverent satire of the Greats of our time. - Recovering Ortho Jew
A critical look at Rabbinic Judaism
<<
List
Jewish Bloggers
Join
>>
14 comments:
hmmm.
cant win!
sin if you do, sin if you dont! (all from relative perspective)
OP, touching. No rebuttal?
so what does this mean to you?
Orthoprax??
I definitely see Druyan's point (or her grandfather's point) but virtually my whole blog is an argument against the supposition of her statement.
I would agree that it is poor state to be observant just in order to pretend to be a believer. But that isn't me. I am observant for my own reasons which vary from using traditional acts as spiritual aids, to celebration of my heritage to the fact that I just plain like doing it.
So I am not pretending.
However, at the same time, I am not publicizing my skepticism to all of my friends and acquaintances, nor even to my family. Is this wrong?
Am I presenting a false image of myself, even though it is in fact a true image of myself, if I don't specifically announce my disagreement?
There's a story of two Chassidic Rebbes. One says to the other that he never tells a lie. The other one then asks him about what happens if it will cause trouble and the Rebbe who never lies said that he would instead say nothing. Everything varies according to the individuals you are dealing with but if you are able to be upfront and honest then you should be. Nowadays you can wear a yarmulka and tzitzes and not have people think necessarily you are Orthodox.Being upfront with others also helps you be more objective too because you can see what you really think and not what you have the luxury of thinking because your thoughts are basically under wraps from others. It's like the person who says they approve of intermarriage but they are raising their little kids in such a way that they don't think they will do it. Easy to say while the kiddies are young and so are you.
Orthoprax,
I understand your answer. Also, this works better as a statement of love and acceptance than as a moral prinicple.
And no, it's not your problem if your family and friends assume that you are a frum believer. It's not your job to make sure that everyone in the world has the absolute correct interpretation of your ideology.
'Orthopraxy' doesn't work for me personally. It is a sad reality that many people who are firm non-believers are locked into the need to appear religious in order to preserve the order of their lives. I am not judging them, and I certainly understand what they are facing, but I feel sorry for the bondage which they suffer.
Orthoprax,
The premise of this discussion, both here and on other blogs, seems to be that religion has to be about belief. Why is that so? We have very many cultural practiced such as, for example, eating Turkey on thanksgiving and watching fireworks on the 4th of July that do not relate to a belief in anything, but our expressions of our culture and heritage. I see no reason one can not practice orthodoxy on the same grounds. It is a very rich heritage.
Also, whatever happened to ein balua yotzei mikli likli ele al yiday rotev? I suppose we'll have to assume that the story is talking about a wet hot fork. Still, I thought neitzah bikarka only applied to knives.
I agree with DBS that AD's grandfather may have meant this more in the spirit of reconciliation and love than as a philosophical statement.
Anyway, I don't buy the premise that you can only practice the Jewish mesorah if you fully believe in the factual veracity of its underlying narratives. The mesorah is not the property of any one authority.
Also, whatever happened to ein balua yotzei mikli likli ele al yiday rotev? I suppose we'll have to assume that the story is talking about a wet hot fork. Still, I thought neitzah bikarka only applied to knives.
That's the difference between mimetic Jewish observance and book learnin'. One interesting thing is that with regard to kashrut, the mimetic practises of the Jewish home were in many instances stricter than the laws of the Shulhan Aruch.
If I were the grandfather, and I had the gift of 20-20 hindsight, I think I would've answered: "The only sin is to not continue to investigate whether perhaps you're mistaken." Not as poetic as what Ann's grandfather said, but oh well.
Also, can you imagine a BT breaking the news to his father, "Dad, I think your atheism is a bunch of bulls#!t," especially right after the father had just gone through a very special moment?
Oh, thanks for sharing the meaningful video.
Also, can you imagine a BT breaking the news to his father, "Dad, I think your atheism is a bunch of bulls#!t," especially right after the father had just gone through a very special moment?
Funnily enough, I do know of cases where it happened in a very similar manner (without the swearing, of course...)
I do think that, from the sounds of it, the way Druyan's father did it was a bit insensitive. The grandfather sounds like a very special individual. The fact that he reacted with love and acceptance seems to be what saved the relationship. I've seen in many cases (both with kids "freiing out" and "flipping out/becoming hozer be'tshuva") that a dismissive or hostile attitude from the parents can set the child against them and rupture the relationship, potentially irreperably.
Also, can you imagine a BT breaking the news to his father, "Dad, I think your atheism is a bunch of bulls#!t," especially right after the father had just gone through a very special moment?
Also, I think that saying "Mom I won't eat in your house any more" or "Dad, I won't set foot in your synagogue anymore" is also pretty hurtful, albeit not (normally) intended to be so.
wow, that was some video, thanks for sharing
"Also, I think that saying "Mom I won't eat in your house any more" or "Dad, I won't set foot in your synagogue anymore"
True, but that's hardly ever how it's worded.
It was rather interesting for me to read this post. Thank you for it. I like such topics and everything connected to them. I definitely want to read more soon.
Truly yours
Post a Comment