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"You speak of dogmas, dogmas of faith! In answer thereto, I would briefly say that Judaism enjoins six hundred and thirteen duties but knows no dogmas." - R' Samson Raphael Hirsch, Fifteenth Letter
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10 comments:
observant,
"This doesn't bother me -
a)believing in the lochness monster doesnt matter to me, so the lack of evidence keeps it under my radar while G-d is very important to me."
It may not bother you, but it is still an error in logical thinking. Using the subjective importance of a postulate as a qualitative difference is wrong.
"1) I think the rapist can be considered to have justified belief. I think he is crazy, I would lock him up because I think he is incorrect about what G-d wants, but if he is convinced, that is justifiable."
If it is justifiable, then he is justified in his actions. Then at the same time you'd lock him up because his actions are unjust. You bit the bullet in the game but you don't understand the fundamental incoherence in your views.
"I also but the one where I said it is possible that G-d could do something irrational. I thknk the "bullet" is silly."
I'll let you have that one. Most people who believe in God also believe he can do the irrational, like making square circles and so on. Just don't read the Kuzari. R' Yehuda Halevi would kick your ass.
"I doubt thought that that was your intent."
My intent was to just to have people think about their conceptions of God. You obviously didn't see it that way and took the test as a challenge to your faith and so you come here to report your glorious "victory."
If you're going to be a believer, you should at least be sure about what it is you believe in.
Just think about it.
heccy,
Congrats...but still so surprised?
I liked it. Got the same bullets and hits as observant. About the rapist question, orthoprax, I wonder if you consider Avraham Avinu's going to the akeida justified or if you would lock him up.
onion,
In the Torah, God is a character as real as any other and so Abraham listening to Him is justified. But then the question is whether it is right to take orders you see as clearly and overly wrong. I would say not. Saying that you were just following orders doesn't cut it.
If I was told the akeida story from a real person nowadays ready to go kill his son, of course I would think the guy was nuts.
heccy,
"I guess that it was biased towards non-religious folk because if you dont have any preconceived dogmas about god..you dont have to force any notions about the being known as god, if one were to exist."
That's not a bias, that's a natural development. Dogma and reason are usually at odds.
observant,
"My point was that the matter of G-d does have "proofs." Whether they are ironclad or not, what I feel to be a preponderance of "pretty good reasons to believe in G-d" way outweighs the existance of any Loch Ness monster, about which I have heard no evidence."
Maybe you should do some research into the arguments for the existence of Nessie.
http://www.lochnessinvestigation.org/
No excuse to keep yourself ignorant, right?
"Maybe if someone would attempt a "Permission to Believe" style of book to allow me not proof, but permission to believe in the monster, than I would. Until then..."
They are out there. Just do a search through amazon or barnes and nobles.
"He can justify his actions. But I can lock him up becasue I/people can't, and I/we don't want women raped."
If he can justify it then why don't you accept it? Either it is a good justification or not.
"I just don't think he has to apologize for anything."
That means that he has done nothing wrong and you have no right to punish him! You're saying contradictory sentences one after another and not even realizing it.
"I think anyone with a classic Orthodox understanding of G-d comes out of that excersise pretty unscathed. Its reassuring."
Relatively unscathed, meaning it could have been worse, right? But taking three hits isn't doing so hot either.
But also, keep in mind that just because something is internally consistent doesn't mean it's true.
First try:
You have reached the end!
Congratulations! You have made it to the end of this activity.
You took zero direct hits and you bit zero bullets. The average player of this activity to date takes 1.39 hits and bites 1.11 bullets. 275997 people have so far undertaken this activity.
Click the link below for further analysis of your performance and to see if you've won an award.
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Mis-nagid,
You, I had no doubts about. ;-)
Also, this cute little game is a good litmus test for frum people. I sent it out to a bunch of pple on my email list and found (SURPRISE) a strong correlation between how orthodox the person and how likely they were to dismiss the quiz as " ridiculous, geared towards atheists, worded poorly," etc.
Onion,
Makes sense. If you don't think about something critically, as how most Orthodox Jews don't think about God, then the quiz will show that out.
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